Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Early Access for Some YouTubers

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Early Access for Some YouTubers

    Have a look...

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bloons+tower+defense+6&sp=EgI IAkIECAESAA%253D%253D[/url]

    So far it looks like Bodil40, MasterOv, and ISAB have made BTD6 videos featuring their own gameplay experiences. Superjombombo has said that he has early access as well.

    Notably absent from that list, yours truly. I emailed NK asking for early access, but was denied.

    This is more than a little annoying for me, as I have been a bloons YouTuber for years and have been looking forward to this for a long time.
    Please follow my: | [URL="https://youtube.com/user/mathgodpi"]YouTube[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.twitch.tv/mathgodpi/profile"]Twitch[/URL] | - | [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/MathgodPi"]NinjaKiwi[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2UgUhbIu3SgaY45mpwiIw"]Math Channel[/URL] |

  • #2
    Bear with us, it is only a few days.
    We just wanted to pick a select small group for this while maximizing the user-base this would reach.
    No badgers were harmed in the making of this forum. Most likely. I'm like, 75% sure. But don't quote me on that or I'll have to harm a badger.

    Comment


    • #3
      Yeah, I think their selections (and lack of selections) annoys everyone at least a little bit, but oh well. I'm sure Ninja Kiwi is alright with that though as long as it's not annoying enough to stop us from buying the game.

      At least its not really a beta version like some of them claim so no one will be missing out on anything.

      Looks like the whole list is:
      • Bodil40
      • ISAB
      • Aliensrock
      • Superjombombo
      • Tewtiy
      • MasterOv
      • MOLT
      • JeromeASF

      Last edited by onlinegamer321; 09-06-18, 10:49 PM.
      This is my signature

      Comment


      • #4
        No disrespect but... I don't see how allowing someone, who has been a Bloons YouTuber since 2013, early access would hurt the cause in any way...
        Please follow my: | [URL="https://youtube.com/user/mathgodpi"]YouTube[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.twitch.tv/mathgodpi/profile"]Twitch[/URL] | - | [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/MathgodPi"]NinjaKiwi[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2UgUhbIu3SgaY45mpwiIw"]Math Channel[/URL] |

        Comment


        • #5
          Maybe it wouldn't hurt, but it wouldn't help the cause very significantly either. As for the fact that you've been a bloonstuber since 2013, congrats but that's not really what the people at nk are looking for I suppose.
          [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/smurfblade"]Part AP Hunter[/URL], [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkRhV7Oi3hhVZw9LuUZNRxA"]part[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfS1v3wkkbEY5oC5cl24kg"]Youtuber[/URL], [URL="https://forums.ninjakiwi.com/forum/bloons-td-battles/252-king-of-the-hill"]part KOTH Player/Manager[/URL]. Skype is smurfblade1999 if you want to add me. Discord is Smurfblade#3916

          Comment


          • #6
            After years of promoting their games and contributing to the community you'd think they could do this one little thing for me. But perhaps I'm wrong.
            Please follow my: | [URL="https://youtube.com/user/mathgodpi"]YouTube[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.twitch.tv/mathgodpi/profile"]Twitch[/URL] | - | [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/MathgodPi"]NinjaKiwi[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2UgUhbIu3SgaY45mpwiIw"]Math Channel[/URL] |

            Comment


            • #7
              Wonderful and addictive game. Well, as long as there is no demo version for PC or the site itself, the way is to continue playing BTD5, or other Ninja Kiwi games.

              Comment


              • #8
                Small group. Simple and Effective.

                My only disappointment is that NinjaKiwi still does not realize there is a good Spanish demographic completely ignored.

                I'm going to work on getting that changed..
                Czech out the newly updated Ninja Kiwi Community tab for links to other awesome places! https://ninjakiwi.com/community

                If you love bloons and want a chill server to Kongregate in, don't forget to join Bloons World! Over 900 members strong and growing strong!! https://discord.gg/Detpg2N

                Comment


                • #9
                  it seems like one of the biggest concerns NK has had with BTD6 is spoiling all the things instead of building the hype, there's only so much content, 19 towers, 4 heroes, 24 maps, with 8 people doing a video a day for 6/7 days leading up to the launch they've managed to already showcase and spoil most towers, most tower combinations and the tricks and traps that the majority of maps offer. With their policy of only 2 tier 5s per player they've already had 16 of those showcased too and they might think 1/4 of those being explored is already a lot.

                  You didn't get picked, well someone was going to not get picked eventually if they wanted fewer spoilers out there, so who do you think you should have replaced from the list of 8 chosen youtubers? Because it's not simply "well it could have been 9 or 12 or 30 or 3000" because they're obviously getting to preview the videos made and approve them, with most videos being an hour long, that's one person full time doing that if there's no edits and revisions to be made, which you can grantee isn't going to happen with them crafting an image, so for you to get it who of the 8 don't? Lets say you were number 9 on the list and missed out by a tiny amount and they might have wanted to ask you next time instead to diversify the group of players they work with, given your whining "what about me" attitude, do you now see NK wanting to work with you on BTD7, or BMC2 or BTD2?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JohnyDL View Post
                    it seems like one of the biggest concerns NK has had with BTD6 is spoiling all the things instead of building the hype, there's only so much content, 19 towers, 4 heroes, 24 maps, with 8 people doing a video a day for 6/7 days leading up to the launch they've managed to already showcase and spoil most towers, most tower combinations and the tricks and traps that the majority of maps offer. With their policy of only 2 tier 5s per player they've already had 16 of those showcased too and they might think 1/4 of those being explored is already a lot.

                    You didn't get picked, well someone was going to not get picked eventually if they wanted fewer spoilers out there, so who do you think you should have replaced from the list of 8 chosen youtubers? Because it's not simply "well it could have been 9 or 12 or 30 or 3000" because they're obviously getting to preview the videos made and approve them, with most videos being an hour long, that's one person full time doing that if there's no edits and revisions to be made, which you can grantee isn't going to happen with them crafting an image, so for you to get it who of the 8 don't? Lets say you were number 9 on the list and missed out by a tiny amount and they might have wanted to ask you next time instead to diversify the group of players they work with, given your whining "what about me" attitude, do you now see NK wanting to work with you on BTD7, or BMC2 or BTD2?
                    I think there's a very strong chance they will give me early access next time.

                    They could have did it this time as well, as they wouldn't have had to replace anyone. It's not an issue of spoiling anything, as they could have just placed the same restrictions on me as everyone else. Heck, if they told me don't use any tier 5s at all, that would have been perfectly fine.

                    I haven't "whined" about this, I've simply pointed out that it's rather disappointing that they wouldn't let me in on this considering I've been a long time member of the community.
                    Please follow my: | [URL="https://youtube.com/user/mathgodpi"]YouTube[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.twitch.tv/mathgodpi/profile"]Twitch[/URL] | - | [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/MathgodPi"]NinjaKiwi[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2UgUhbIu3SgaY45mpwiIw"]Math Channel[/URL] |

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      It was purely about numbers. We had a few players like yourself who have been fantastic in the community and we considered giving access but we put a line on subscriber numbers. Without that line we would have a lot of elligeble people and because it was about getting information out rather than rewarding those particular youtubers we decided to stick with the numbers.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mathgodpi View Post
                        They could have did it this time as well, as they wouldn't have had to replace anyone. It's not an issue of spoiling anything, as they could have just placed the same restrictions on me as everyone else.
                        The same restrictions would have you spoiling up to 12.5% more of the game, and likely require more people to be part of the marketing team validating videos, NK seems like a small studio I imagine the limit of picking the 8 biggest youtubers was because 9 would be more work than they had agents capable and available to handle. Conservatively lets say for every youtuber chosen NK had to put in 16 hours of staff time this week to review and approve what were basically adverts for their game, 8 youtubers makes that 128 hours of staff time that's a little more than 3 people working full time this week on just that, you joining the program wouldn't have been 'free' for them, it would have been an investment, and they may not have had that extra 16 hours in their marketing team available for you. They're a business they made a business decision and it's not simply setting some conditions on you.and letting you run wild.
                        Originally posted by Mathgodpi View Post
                        Heck, if they told me don't use any tier 5s at all, that would have been perfectly fine.
                        And wouldn't you having different restrictions caused more backlash? all your subs could be like "Well this other youtuber can show it? why can't you? oh that's stupid I'm not supporting a company that's unfair to my favourite youtuber" paying money for a drop in sales isn't good marketing.
                        Originally posted by Mathgodpi View Post
                        I haven't "whined" about this, I've simply pointed out that it's rather disappointing that they wouldn't let me in on this considering I've been a long time member of the community.
                        And by whining I mean You contacted a business and asked for free stuff thinking your ~1000 subs, 100-500 views per average video (viewers that likely watch bigger channels anyway) and no uploads for 4 months, was worth at a bare minimum, $320 of NK's time (based on the low wage of $20/h and the above work I suggested they put in per youtuber), you were turned down and rather than being a grown up and looking at the larger business picture and taking the decision on the chin with a "okay I need to work harder grow my brand and try to earn that for next time" like a lot of professional Youtubers might, including things like proving you can make a video on Bloons every day like Bodil40 and get hundreds of thousands of hits on 'regular' videos like AlienRock. No, rather than that you came onto the forum and complained that you were missing from the list as though you were next in line when there are dozens of others above you that didn't get it like Vegeto with 10 times your sub count, and more hits on a video in a day than you have subscribers.

                        I'm rather Surprised that NK didn't approach Nerd Cubed for 1 video, far more subs than any one Bloons Tuber, and he knows how to work up a storm when given early access, like he did with his Just Cause 4 Video this week, and he's known to Love BloonsTD5 since he already did a few videos on it. He might have had problems with the rather extreme conditions placed on the Bloons Tubers but given his reach outside the normal Bloons audience I imagine some special treatment for him would have been worth the investment maybe something like "hey here's our game early, we aren't going to pay you for a review so you make any unbiased video(s) you like on it, if you intend to put them up before our public launch we'd like approval, we won't ask you for edits, but we will ask you to release them after a certain date though to line up best with our other marketing if that's agreeable, Oh and if we don't approve it to go up before the launch date you can release it anyway on the public on or after launch day since you could and likely would have made that same video after the launch"

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JohnyDL View Post
                          The same restrictions would have you spoiling up to 12.5% more of the game, and likely require more people to be part of the marketing team validating videos, NK seems like a small studio I imagine the limit of picking the 8 biggest youtubers was because 9 would be more work than they had agents capable and available to handle. Conservatively lets say for every youtuber chosen NK had to put in 16 hours of staff time this week to review and approve what were basically adverts for their game, 8 youtubers makes that 128 hours of staff time that's a little more than 3 people working full time this week on just that, you joining the program wouldn't have been 'free' for them, it would have been an investment, and they may not have had that extra 16 hours in their marketing team available for you. They're a business they made a business decision and it's not simply setting some conditions on you.and letting you run wild.
                          Or, since I've been on the forums for years (dating back to the old forum site), contributing not only hundreds of BTD5 daily challenge solution videos, but also more than a dozen approved daily challenges, they could trust me knowing I wouldn't do anything outside of their restrictions. I operate within good faith and always have.

                          And wouldn't you having different restrictions caused more backlash? all your subs could be like "Well this other youtuber can show it? why can't you? oh that's stupid I'm not supporting a company that's unfair to my favourite youtuber" paying money for a drop in sales isn't good marketing.
                          Isn't giving me some early access still better than none at all? I don't get your point here.

                          And by whining I mean You contacted a business and asked for free stuff thinking your ~1000 subs, 100-500 views per average video (viewers that likely watch bigger channels anyway) and no uploads for 4 months, was worth at a bare minimum, $320 of NK's time (based on the low wage of $20/h and the above work I suggested they put in per youtuber), you were turned down and rather than being a grown up and looking at the larger business picture and taking the decision on the chin with a "okay I need to work harder grow my brand and try to earn that for next time" like a lot of professional Youtubers might, including things like proving you can make a video on Bloons every day like Bodil40 and get hundreds of thousands of hits on 'regular' videos like AlienRock. No, rather than that you came onto the forum and complained that you were missing from the list as though you were next in line when there are dozens of others above you that didn't get it like Vegeto with 10 times your sub count, and more hits on a video in a day than you have subscribers.
                          It would have cost them $0.00.

                          There is more to look at than just channel metrics. I do have some bloons videos where the views are in five figures, and like I said my history of participating positively with the community shows that I'm trustworthy.
                          Please follow my: | [URL="https://youtube.com/user/mathgodpi"]YouTube[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.twitch.tv/mathgodpi/profile"]Twitch[/URL] | - | [URL="http://ninjakiwi.com/profile/MathgodPi"]NinjaKiwi[/URL] | - | [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2UgUhbIu3SgaY45mpwiIw"]Math Channel[/URL] |

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I may be new to the forum but I've been playing Bloons since BTD1, I've put *looks at steam* 500 Hours into BTD5DE which I brought on launch day, and maybe 2000 hours lifetime into ninjakiwi, I'm a fan, I'm not their biggest and BTD isn't all play, (I've put closer to 5000 hours into the one much newer game ,Factorio) but that's not an inconsiderable investment on my part. But even if I'd contributed a hundred walk-throughs and another hundred ideas that doesn't mean I'd be a good marketing investment. The way I see it is you're either you're asking to help sell the game, in which case your value to NK is not worth in their eyes the investment and expense, or you want the game free because you've provided past value with the implicit I'll keep having value in the future, even though in reality walkthoughs on the whole likely don't offer any monetary value to NK at all, and if you didn't do it someone else will because that's what gaming communities do. Either way giving you the game based on 'trust' costs them 1 guranteed game sale for no perceived return on that investment.

                            But lets say they were to give you early access and you make videos and just 10 people who would have brought the game having watched the bigger youtubers now don't because you were treated unfairly, well that's the point, they spent money on you, (even if you don't see that sending you the game for 'free' isn't free for them) then you cost them money as a result, the only person who wins in that situation is you, who would have got to play the game a few days earlier.

                            But it definitely would have cost them money, 10 minutes to read the email that's money spent employing someone to read the email, then 10 minutes to look you up and make an assesment, that's money, and 10 minutes to decide and arrange your free access to the game, that's money, and they'd have had to lawyer up to have a special contract with you drawn up and made air tight, that's money. If they want to review your video before you post, that's 16 hours of time, that's money, etc etc etc, nothing a business ever does is really free, it costs to pay staff to read emails, it costs to have the electric on for the computer, you might not even see the cost or might think "well they'd be paying that anyway" but actually that's rarely the case, businesses only hire the staff they need to handle their needs, they don't have hundreds of secretaries sat idle for that moment when you decide you want something.

                            But here's another thought, so far BTD6 has 1000+ purchases on the google play store, that's $6000, and likely to increase over the next few days not to mention the Apple store likely has a similar amount of purchases, but if we work with the BTD5 numbers of 1,000,000+ then BTD 6 is potentially a $6 million game, given that premise "trust" isn't necessarily enough, never mind your videos putting off 10 people, you could have taken their game and their trust and easily posted the files online for free before the release and cost them millions of dollars, and even if you personally don't do you know your security is enough to prevent someone else doing it with your version? If you got the files in an email is your password strong enough to keep out hackers etc? Would you really want to have the game if the risk of your use of it (or someone else's use of your possessing the game) could be a that you're liable for that loss? And even if you are perfect they likely get dozens from others in the same boat as you, as NK the risk that any of them might screw them is far too high and to let any have the game would mean having to let all have the game if they're to avoid a backlash.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by onlinegamer321 View Post
                              Yeah, I think their selections (and lack of selections) annoys everyone at least a little bit, but oh well. I'm sure Ninja Kiwi is alright with that though as long as it's not annoying enough to stop us from buying the game.

                              At least its not really a beta version like some of them claim so no one will be missing out on anything.

                              Looks like the whole list is:
                              • Bodil40
                              • ISAB
                              • Aliensrock
                              • Superjombombo
                              • Tewtiy
                              • MasterOv
                              • MOLT
                              • JeromeASF
                              Actually i will not be butying the game soley for this reason. I hate when companies give youtubers an advantage.

                              Comment


                              • Junior Monkey
                                Junior Monkey commented
                                Editing a comment
                                It's meant to promote the game.

                              • CoolCreeper39
                                CoolCreeper39 commented
                                Editing a comment
                                That doesent make it right
                            Working...
                            X